A Conversation with Jon Nowinski about the Ivory Snow girl

Jon Nowinski runs the Smoking Gun Research Agency based in Connecticut.

Remy Chevalier:

Any news yet on how Marilyn Chambers died?

Jon Nowinski:

The Coroner's autopsy revealed that Chambers died of a cerebral hemorrhage and aneurysm related to heart disease. Pain killer hydrocodone (Vicodine, etc) and Anti-depressant Citalopram were found in her blood stream but not enough to cause death. This was what I had heard too. Is there more to the story?

RC:

Her heart gave out? More to the story? I don't know. She knew some things... but why do her in now? These are heavy duty pills she was taking, so I guess it just took its toll. She wasn't all that overweight... it doesn't say what the cause of the heart disease was... maybe she just died of a broken heart.

JN:
Humm. Not sure. I didn't know that much about her, only the name. But hey, I'll drop a line to two entertainment journalists I know out in LA and see if they've heard anything related to it.

RC:

The link between this black ops green door patch and her movie... ties in with what took place at Staples HS when we were both in our graduating class there... all this is so old, goes so deep... how and why did her health deteriorate to such a point that she would die in her mid-50's from heart failure? Was she prescribed these drugs? Did she abuse them? What did she know about all the bullshit that went on all around us when we went to school there... it's affected all of us.

I know what I know, I know what I've seen, I know what I've been involved with... now trying to bring all the peices together so they finally make a picture... it's hard when everyone who has a peice of the puzzle keeps dying! And why am I still walking around, considering all the shit I know, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Everyone else around me involved with these issues keeps falling by the wayside... am I such a goof ball that I am no threat? Even though I know all about the deepest, most secret of programs... we were kids, at Staples, who figured it out... they took everything to the Idaho National Engineering Lab... some of us went, some of us stayed behind... that patch... it's all there for those who know how to read the signs. What happened at Indian Point in '84? What the hell is going on Jon? We're destroying this planet for the sake of what? The fear that what we discovered would totally upset the balance of power? What balance of power? Sooner or later the Chinese, the Russians, they'll figure it out too... unless the network we created has such vast octopus tentacles it keeps plucking inventors all over the world. Which is how we created a supra-government hidden deep under the US government, the secret rulers of the world government.

Who makes the decision as to when it's too late to introduce these new sciences into the energy economy? Isn't that what Gore is doing, preparing the planet for a global green autocracy? And where do I fit into all this? Who am I? What the hell did I do when I was a kid that buried me so deep? My mistake in life is that I never walked away from it, I kept trying to find my way back upstream... but could never find the right river.

But now it's all coming out in the open, leaking from all directions, because the Internet is broadcasting everything with a loudspeaker, and everybody has lost control of the situation. That's why Indian Point... it needs a center. Something to gravitate around, to give it some kind of socio-political context. My heart sunk when I heard she died. Because it was one more link to the chain broken. She was just a girl, that's all... who got herself into porn... but so much revolves around that business, organized crime, intelligence services, the lowest common denominator of our society. She was a guidepost, that's all, used by God knows who...

JN:

This is all very interesting to me. Of course because of my obsessive drive to dig where I'm not supposed to, but because there are connections to strange and unusual projects all around, and although the surface looks nice and clean, it's no wonder Westport was the inspiration for the Stepford Wives.

From what I've gathered (although haven't shared with most) Westport is no stranger to unusual circumstances. You mention some of the things that went on in Staples back in your day. Well, five of the six main players in the CIA's MKULTRA program had homes in Westport. Several of the secret tests administered during house parties were done here in town. Would it surprise you at all if any of them used their own kids in experiments? It was known to happen, but all the records on young-adult testing during MKULTRA were "lost in a fire."

Up until 2002 the NSA operated its Northeastern Branch Office out of a building on Greens Farms Ave. until they up and left without any reason. The building is still there, though I'm not sure who occupies it now, but its quite a piece of work. And there's more, of course. Sure, some of this is conspiratorial, but there's lots of facts if you are willing to take the time to make the connections.

The CIA had a contract out to Hallbrook mental hospital from the 70s through the 90s for "behavioral studies." That's as far as I was able to get with any information on that subject. Even when the Nike Sites were operational there were persistent rumors that more was being carried out there than was visible. Westport has always had - as I'm sure you know - connections with unusual circumstances, to say the least.

RC:
What year were MK Ultra folks here? Do you know who they were? This is fascinating... the emblem for MK Ultra is the butterfly. Betcee's only tattoo is a butterfly. She's obsessed with them. We suspect she's been the subject of mind control experiments growing up in Minnesota. That's the topic of Jay Beldo's book, that many young girls in Minnesota were subject to this sort of thing. He blames the very high percentage of misandrist feminism and the militant lesbians in Minneapolis on these tests.

JN:
The years for the MKULTRA people living in Westport I think would have had to be like '65 through '75 or so. That was when the big focus of the projects were going on. During the programs LOTS of teenagers were used for some of the testing. Not only the drug effects, like slipping them LSD at CIA sponsored parties, but even some of the more "in-depth" experiments. Some of the programs rumored to be conducted at Montauk around the same time were said to be done on young adults, both girls and boys.

As far as the Hallbrook connection, the closest I was ever able to get was confirmation that the CIA was sponsoring a program there. But, that's it. I've never been able to get anything from Hallbrook, they won't even respond to me, and the CIA will only tell me that the name comes up in a search of MKULTRA records, but supposedly they no longer have those documents. I also don't know much about when the NSA was in town. The year I found out about them, they pretty much closed up shop and vanished. Like I said, the building is still there, but I'm not sure who's there now. Although, I'd love to poke around, haha.

RC:
'65 to '75, that pretty much makes sense, and ties in with my experience. Many of us were doing our own ingesting of acid, but it would seem they would pick up on this, and use it for their own purposes. This is where MK Ultra would tie in with evolution in physics, resulting from discoveries in metaphysics, leading to the development of actual programs. We were under constant surveillance. We were all taken advantage of. My contribution was this. It's in my book, ELLE On EARTH, the chapter on Staples in '69.

I was at Hills Point Beach with friends. We started playing the lifting trick, you know like on a three legged table. Except with one guy lying on the sand, and about 5 or 6 of us lifting him without any effort with the tip of one finger. I realized that if we could figure out the electromagnetic signature of what we were doing, we'd be able to duplicate it with a machine. That's what launched the program!

I was then constantly approached by different students for additional details on my idea, what do to, how to do it, etc... you bet they knew who my grandfather was... I later discovered, much later, that at the same time, the SQUID (brainwave analyser) was being developed at the Idaho National Engineering Lab. In 1974 I crossed the country with Mark Metcalf, the actor in the Twisted Sister video. I was drawn to go through Idaho... where we ended up driving along a stretch of highway leading to the lab... there on the other side of road, behind a fence which has since been removed, were the Twin Buttes, two mounds in the middle of the desert. Between them something was being built, assembled, with trucks coming in and out of the gate. I only saw it from a distance.

One of the truck drivers asked me if I was coming in, that it was my project, and that I should come and see... but for some reason, I got really scared... and Mark was completely out of his mind in fear... so I just kept going, I couldn't process what was happening, it was too unreal.

Took me years to figure it out. Nobody sat me down to explain to me all the things that were happening around me. They just came at me like vultures, picking at whatever bit of information they could get from me, for their own design... and now I see this patch, behind the green door, and Marilyn just died... we're building ufos out in the middle of the desert in idaho in 1974... and we have an energy crisis???

JN:
Well, it's all connected. The UFOs, intelligence community, labs, special projects, black programs. I don't have to tell you something you already know. Hell, a lot closer to home those programs were in full swing. Sure, you had the military/intelligence programs at Montauk, but Brookhaven Labs was - and always has been - in the business of exploring metaphysical application through hefty funding from private companies and individuals, as well as, the government. You don't need to go as far as Idaho to see these programs being put together

Most people forget that BNL was one of the first places to get its hand on a particle accelerator and start experimenting with things, like the "God particle" that's such a big deal now. BNL was first to suggest creating a black hole under "controlled circumstances" just because they could.

But that news bite quickly dropped out of the spotlight and hasn't really been heard of since. Plus, BNL tests loads of crap off the Atlantic Coast. Energy weapons, nukes, some advanced project known only as "Dark Star" that is reportedly more powerful than any nuclear weapon known. Some claim it's a cold fusion bomb.

Anyway, my point is that conspiracy is right at our doorstep, not only in the Midwest. There's more of a government shadow over Westport than I've been able to find out about. I've seen some military and intelligence vehicles parked over at the Westport PD over the years that don't make sense to be there. I'm talking high-up identifications. The kind that unless you know the keywords you'd have no idea what it means. Like the patch you forwarded. Honestly, I don't know how much of a current connection the intel. community still has with Westport, but in 2002 I was told by one of my sources that there were roughly 1400 names of highly influential people from all sorts of programs that lived in either Westport, Weston, or Fairfield. And regular meetings at their homes was not uncommon.

Of course, that source couldn't tell me anything more, and most of my attempts are blocked. A few years back I called the Westport and Fairfield Historical Societies to ask them about government or military activity in the towns. At first they said they remembered many instances, and both said they probably had records about it. When I finally got around to getting to the offices about a week later, I was road blocked. Both of them gave me the party line saying they were mistaken. It wouldn't have struck me as strange, if it weren't for the fact that they both said the same thing word-for-word, and I hadn't told either that I was visiting the other one.

Oh. another random thought concerning the military/intelligence connection around here. CT has been home to some development of black aircraft too. Look at who we have here. Sikorsky, Lockheed, Northrop, even Boeing owns some buildings up at Bradley Airport. I've personally seen the B2 Spirit land at Bradley unannounced and for no good reason. It's not uncommon for those upstate to get buzzed by a Stealth every now and again. And I've even heard sightings of what could be the Aurora. Talk about full circle, it all comes back to the '84 sighting and the entire Hudson Valley Wave. What was it that they were seeing? And why are airports like Stewart in NY and Bradley in CT given hoards of money from undisclosed defense department funds in order to keep a few hangars at the ends of the runways off the use?

RC:
I'm out of breath... now the thing is, what do we do about it? What's it all for? What's the point of all of this? Who do we tell? Do we tell anyone? What do we make of it?

JN:
All good questions... I've kept my mouth shut on my "conspiratorial rants" about Westport. Not because I fear anyone or thing in this town, but because this place is so close-minded. It's the entire "not here" mentality of this place. No one wants to admit that any of this could be happening inside our borders, no matter how clear the picture is. I don't know what - or if - to do with these thoughts.